Comments on: Watchshopping Maastricht http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/10/02/watchshopping-maastricht/ watchweblog Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:42:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: RH http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/10/02/watchshopping-maastricht/comment-page-1/#comment-950 RH Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:52:34 +0000 /?p=370#comment-950 I found the comments on Steiner quite interesting, having had minimal contact with the staff and owner. Located in a lovely old building on Maastrichts Stokstraat, they seem inviting enough. The personel however do leave a lot to be desired. Frankly, I found them pompous and not particularly well informed. The owner for example had never heard of a verge movement and was all too happy to challenge my use of the term. I believe he passed away a year or so later. I found the comments on Steiner quite interesting, having had minimal contact with the staff and owner. Located in a lovely old building on Maastrichts Stokstraat, they seem inviting enough. The personel however do leave a lot to be desired. Frankly, I found them pompous and not particularly well informed. The owner for example had never heard of a verge movement and was all too happy to challenge my use of the term. I believe he passed away a year or so later.

]]> By: philipp Stahl http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/10/02/watchshopping-maastricht/comment-page-1/#comment-842 philipp Stahl Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:09:56 +0000 /?p=370#comment-842 Hi Bas and Lucas, I invite you for both for free to visite maastricht and come to see our collection. I hope YOU will be 'Honest' after we have met. Let me know if you are interested. You know how to reach me. Greetings Philipp Stahl www.steinermaastricht.com Hi Bas and Lucas,

I invite you for both for free to visite maastricht and come to see our collection. I hope YOU will be ‘Honest’ after we have met. Let me know if you are interested. You know how to reach me.

Greetings Philipp Stahl
http://www.steinermaastricht.com

]]> By: Lucas http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/10/02/watchshopping-maastricht/comment-page-1/#comment-803 Lucas Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:03:40 +0000 /?p=370#comment-803 I heard some nasty stories about that shop as well! selling frankenwatches for originals etc... Most people will never notice, but it is just not honest. Keep your eyes open! I heard some nasty stories about that shop as well! selling frankenwatches for originals etc…

Most people will never notice, but it is just not honest.

Keep your eyes open!

]]> By: Bas http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/10/02/watchshopping-maastricht/comment-page-1/#comment-795 Bas Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:56:38 +0000 /?p=370#comment-795 Hi RJ, This Steiner person once showed me an Omega Speedmaster Pro, in the exact shop you have on the picture. Must be more than six years ago, because I didn't own a Speedmaster then and was looking to buy one (new or pre-owned). The price was rather high, and he told me that this was because this one had the "original" movement, making it more desirable for "collectors" (he said this in tone as if a "collector" is some kind of higher life form, and I was obviously not a collector and would never become one). For readers who are not that much into Speedmaster Pro's: Omega switched from calibre 321 to calibre 861 in 1969. The 321's are more desirable: because they are more rare, because they have a collumn wheel mechanism, and because Aldrin probably wore a Speedmaster with cal. 321 on the moon. As the "collector's" watch didn't have an applied logo (they moved from an applied logo to printed logo in the same year), I didn't trust it. First, I noticed it didn't have a collumn wheel mechanism (you can feel that by pressing the start/ stop button twice. A 321 feels very smooth, an 861 has a big difference in feel between start and stop). To make sure, I put the watch next to my ear. At the time, I was wearing an Omega with cal 564 which runs at 19.800 bph, so it was easy to tell if the watch was running at 18.000 bph (cal. 321) or 21.600 bph (cal. 861) just by comparing it to my watch (in fact, you can hear this even without comparing. The difference between these two beat numbers is really easy to tell). Well: the watch was clearly running at 21.600 bph. I told him this, and he said: "no, you can't hear that kind of thing, this is the watch with the original calibre." There are two possibilties: either he knew that it was a cal. 861, or he didn't. Both options don't sound good to me ;-) Hi RJ,

This Steiner person once showed me an Omega Speedmaster Pro, in the exact shop you have on the picture. Must be more than six years ago, because I didn’t own a Speedmaster then and was looking to buy one (new or pre-owned). The price was rather high, and he told me that this was because this one had the “original” movement, making it more desirable for “collectors” (he said this in tone as if a “collector” is some kind of higher life form, and I was obviously not a collector and would never become one). For readers who are not that much into Speedmaster Pro’s: Omega switched from calibre 321 to calibre 861 in 1969. The 321’s are more desirable: because they are more rare, because they have a collumn wheel mechanism, and because Aldrin probably wore a Speedmaster with cal. 321 on the moon.

As the “collector’s” watch didn’t have an applied logo (they moved from an applied logo to printed logo in the same year), I didn’t trust it. First, I noticed it didn’t have a collumn wheel mechanism (you can feel that by pressing the start/ stop button twice. A 321 feels very smooth, an 861 has a big difference in feel between start and stop). To make sure, I put the watch next to my ear. At the time, I was wearing an Omega with cal 564 which runs at 19.800 bph, so it was easy to tell if the watch was running at 18.000 bph (cal. 321) or 21.600 bph (cal. 861) just by comparing it to my watch (in fact, you can hear this even without comparing. The difference between these two beat numbers is really easy to tell). Well: the watch was clearly running at 21.600 bph. I told him this, and he said: “no, you can’t hear that kind of thing, this is the watch with the original calibre.” There are two possibilties: either he knew that it was a cal. 861, or he didn’t. Both options don’t sound good to me ;-)

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