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		<title>Comment on Omega Speedmaster: 39 years ago it became the Moonwatch by David James</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/07/21/omega-speedmaster-it-is-39-years-ago/#comment-129320</link>
		<dc:creator>David James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative article. Also thank you for all of the NASA links too. I've never seen the transcript and commentary before. Interesting mp3's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative article. Also thank you for all of the NASA links too. I&#8217;ve never seen the transcript and commentary before. Interesting mp3&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another scam by Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2004/11/16/another-scam/#comment-123715</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex- sorry to hear that, BUT, I'd like to use your example to go over a few things for everyone OK?:
#1. You bought it from an UNAUTHORIZED "RE"SELLER/outlet on Ebay.
I know that for a FACT, because my company was- and still is to this day even though we currently don't (business decision based on profitability and other not so cool decisions/factors..won't go there;)- the ONLY company that was ever authorized to sell these watches, DIRECT FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR, there on Ebay. 
**In my listings, I NEVER put the "MSRP" and I even warned trustings Buyers about buying from "Unauthorized Resellers"!! You know what??? IT DIDN'T- AND STILL DOESN'T MATTER!!! Folks just keep buying them from no matter where or from whom!!!! Crazy, isn't it?????
#2. You paid WAYYY too much.
#3. That's a 2006 model year watch- it may have been sitting in that person's living room for quite some time before you bought it! Heck, who knows HOW many people owned it before you got it, right?? =:0
#3. If you had only paid $50-75 and knew what you were buying from the start, you would NOT be here, correct? :)

Now, let's ask some follow-up questions, OK? For ALL to read......

#1. What was your education level BEFORE you bought this watch?? 
That is, did you know it was a Chinese made timepiece with a Sea-gull TY-601 movement? Did you Google to find out info on the Brand? (My bet is "No", right? ;) (If you knew all of this, then you shouldn't have posted your post)
#2. Did you get the 1-Year Original Manufacturer's Warranty with this watch? Did you ask? Did you CARE?
#3. Did you follow-up with the Ebay Seller for resolution/service??
#4. Did you just want this watch because you thought you were getting a steal on an attractive timepiece for ONLY $200?

What I'm getting at is that there is now PLENTY of information out here on the Internet for folks like you- and ALL of us- to be more informed, EDUCATED, NON-IMPULSE CONSUMERS! :)
These watches are what they are: a viable, cost-effective, Chinese-made  solution for wearing a timepiece on your wrist with LOOKS AND FEATURES that the MAINSTREAM POPULACE still does not wear!
I own MANY of these watches- LB's, Wohler, Romilly, Eberle, DuBoule, SUG, Rousseau, Bernoulli, et al.- both auto's &#38; quartzes- that I've NEVER had a serious performance issue with!

For everyone who reads this- PLEASE GET EDUCATED BEFORE YOU BUY!! 
Don't buy something and then just point the finger and blame everyone and everything that led up to that point! (ALL Chinese made watches?? Do you truly know the real extent of what that means??? ;) Remember, when you point your finger, the other 3 fingers on your hand are pointing back at you! ;) (Really, they do! :)
Any questions, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex- sorry to hear that, BUT, I&#8217;d like to use your example to go over a few things for everyone OK?:<br />
#1. You bought it from an UNAUTHORIZED &#8220;RE&#8221;SELLER/outlet on Ebay.<br />
I know that for a FACT, because my company was- and still is to this day even though we currently don&#8217;t (business decision based on profitability and other not so cool decisions/factors..won&#8217;t go there;)- the ONLY company that was ever authorized to sell these watches, DIRECT FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR, there on Ebay.<br />
**In my listings, I NEVER put the &#8220;MSRP&#8221; and I even warned trustings Buyers about buying from &#8220;Unauthorized Resellers&#8221;!! You know what??? IT DIDN&#8217;T- AND STILL DOESN&#8217;T MATTER!!! Folks just keep buying them from no matter where or from whom!!!! Crazy, isn&#8217;t it?????<br />
#2. You paid WAYYY too much.<br />
#3. That&#8217;s a 2006 model year watch- it may have been sitting in that person&#8217;s living room for quite some time before you bought it! Heck, who knows HOW many people owned it before you got it, right?? =:0<br />
#3. If you had only paid $50-75 and knew what you were buying from the start, you would NOT be here, correct? <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s ask some follow-up questions, OK? For ALL to read&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>#1. What was your education level BEFORE you bought this watch??<br />
That is, did you know it was a Chinese made timepiece with a Sea-gull TY-601 movement? Did you Google to find out info on the Brand? (My bet is &#8220;No&#8221;, right? <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> (If you knew all of this, then you shouldn&#8217;t have posted your post)<br />
#2. Did you get the 1-Year Original Manufacturer&#8217;s Warranty with this watch? Did you ask? Did you CARE?<br />
#3. Did you follow-up with the Ebay Seller for resolution/service??<br />
#4. Did you just want this watch because you thought you were getting a steal on an attractive timepiece for ONLY $200?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m getting at is that there is now PLENTY of information out here on the Internet for folks like you- and ALL of us- to be more informed, EDUCATED, NON-IMPULSE CONSUMERS! <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
These watches are what they are: a viable, cost-effective, Chinese-made  solution for wearing a timepiece on your wrist with LOOKS AND FEATURES that the MAINSTREAM POPULACE still does not wear!<br />
I own MANY of these watches- LB&#8217;s, Wohler, Romilly, Eberle, DuBoule, SUG, Rousseau, Bernoulli, et al.- both auto&#8217;s &amp; quartzes- that I&#8217;ve NEVER had a serious performance issue with!</p>
<p>For everyone who reads this- PLEASE GET EDUCATED BEFORE YOU BUY!!<br />
Don&#8217;t buy something and then just point the finger and blame everyone and everything that led up to that point! (ALL Chinese made watches?? Do you truly know the real extent of what that means??? <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Remember, when you point your finger, the other 3 fingers on your hand are pointing back at you! <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> (Really, they do! <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Any questions, let me know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another scam by Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2004/11/16/another-scam/#comment-122177</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while ago I bought myself a nice-looking "Louis Bolle Glacier" w/black dial, for about $200 on Ebay. This bloody watch wasn't accurate at all from the very start: it was about 1+  minute late every day!

After 8-9 months it just stopped, and that seems to be the end of it. Voila! No more "LB" and other Chinese watches for me, despite their appealing design...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago I bought myself a nice-looking &#8220;Louis Bolle Glacier&#8221; w/black dial, for about $200 on Ebay. This bloody watch wasn&#8217;t accurate at all from the very start: it was about 1+  minute late every day!</p>
<p>After 8-9 months it just stopped, and that seems to be the end of it. Voila! No more &#8220;LB&#8221; and other Chinese watches for me, despite their appealing design&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vacation by Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/09/07/vacation/#comment-121733</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy your vacation, hope to read about it on your next post.

Groet,
Victor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your vacation, hope to read about it on your next post.</p>
<p>Groet,<br />
Victor</p>
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		<title>Comment on IWC Ingenieur by ScDFACHE</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2006/10/25/iwc-ingenieur/#comment-121595</link>
		<dc:creator>ScDFACHE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had an IWC Ingenieur since 2006.  it is one of about 8 IWCs along with collection of Rolex's, Breitlings, Glashutte Originals, APs, and one Patek.  Becuase i work around electronics constantly, I wear the Ingeniur almost daily and am considering a Vintage Inge as a dress watch.  Its a superlative watch and likely the most accurate mechanical watch in my collection.  I have experienced no issues with it.  Secondary market pricing has no interest to me becuase a fine watch is a luxury or commodity - its not an investment.  That being said, I think the only downside is that it very much a stealth watch and that may effect the secondary market pricing.  It is not flashy, showy, or a status symbol like some other watches that cost the same or more but much less engineerring and refinement.  Specifically, Rolex doesn't even glare proof their crystals and the one watch they now have that is anti-magnetic to any extent (the new Milgaus) is being touted as a cult collector item like the SS Daytona.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had an IWC Ingenieur since 2006.  it is one of about 8 IWCs along with collection of Rolex&#8217;s, Breitlings, Glashutte Originals, APs, and one Patek.  Becuase i work around electronics constantly, I wear the Ingeniur almost daily and am considering a Vintage Inge as a dress watch.  Its a superlative watch and likely the most accurate mechanical watch in my collection.  I have experienced no issues with it.  Secondary market pricing has no interest to me becuase a fine watch is a luxury or commodity - its not an investment.  That being said, I think the only downside is that it very much a stealth watch and that may effect the secondary market pricing.  It is not flashy, showy, or a status symbol like some other watches that cost the same or more but much less engineerring and refinement.  Specifically, Rolex doesn&#8217;t even glare proof their crystals and the one watch they now have that is anti-magnetic to any extent (the new Milgaus) is being touted as a cult collector item like the SS Daytona.  Please.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Event: Watch 2008 by Zeger van Asch van Wijck</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/09/05/event-watch-2008/#comment-119464</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeger van Asch van Wijck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed this event in a magazine called 'Horloges' and i noticed a lot of cross-'selling' between articals/advertisers/magazine. I personally am not a great fan of these inter-relations because i feel it all becomes very subjective where i prefere objective news etc. 

The round tables and ACE have my tumbs up!

About the other brands?? I do not know.
Most of them i would call fashion/eta wrap arounds watches (44mm plus and screaming like stowa-sorry). There is nothing wrong with that but just not my taste.

So maybe i go, maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed this event in a magazine called &#8216;Horloges&#8217; and i noticed a lot of cross-&#8217;selling&#8217; between articals/advertisers/magazine. I personally am not a great fan of these inter-relations because i feel it all becomes very subjective where i prefere objective news etc. </p>
<p>The round tables and ACE have my tumbs up!</p>
<p>About the other brands?? I do not know.<br />
Most of them i would call fashion/eta wrap arounds watches (44mm plus and screaming like stowa-sorry). There is nothing wrong with that but just not my taste.</p>
<p>So maybe i go, maybe not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Girard-Perregaux Laureato by Alberto</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/06/28/girard-perregaux-laureato/#comment-119404</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, but I think the most beautiful Laureato is this one

[IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6006/dsc01430if8.jpg[/IMG]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, but I think the most beautiful Laureato is this one</p>
<p>[IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6006/dsc01430if8.jpg[/IMG]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vacation by Martijn</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/09/07/vacation/#comment-118608</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like a very dangerous vacation.........do you know how many watchstores they have in those cities???? ;-) Enjoy your vaction!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a very dangerous vacation&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;do you know how many watchstores they have in those cities???? <img src='http://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Enjoy your vaction!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vacation by Harry Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/09/07/vacation/#comment-118520</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I hope you enjoy your break also RJ, have a great vacation!

Cheers from my (with family) vacation
"Seiko Champion" Harry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I hope you enjoy your break also RJ, have a great vacation!</p>
<p>Cheers from my (with family) vacation<br />
&#8220;Seiko Champion&#8221; Harry</p>
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		<title>Comment on IWC&#8217;s latest target audience by Simon_Leung</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2007/02/01/iwcs-latest-target-audience/#comment-117930</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon_Leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the most part the IWC is more realistic in terms of pricing.
This is a watch company that manufactures their own movements and from 
my perspective,they tend to suit everyone across the board.

Rolex  for their credit,was that their Precision hand-wound movements
were extremely robust and simple to work on. However,their justification for the annual price is to combat against counterfeit watches.

The indices and hands on a Rolex dial is made from 18kt white gold.
The stainless steel case is made from a solid piece of 904L grade steel that is hand formed, polished and assembled. 

However,IWC has the upper hand when it comes to the movement.
This is a watch company that is ranked No.2 just behind Patek Philippe.
IWC Caliber 5000 and IWC Caliber 89 are by far extremely beautiful movements to look at and to admire.

Rolex spend huge sums of money on marketing, where as IWC spends their money on Research and Development. Therefore,IWC is at the forefront of making great watch movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part the IWC is more realistic in terms of pricing.<br />
This is a watch company that manufactures their own movements and from<br />
my perspective,they tend to suit everyone across the board.</p>
<p>Rolex  for their credit,was that their Precision hand-wound movements<br />
were extremely robust and simple to work on. However,their justification for the annual price is to combat against counterfeit watches.</p>
<p>The indices and hands on a Rolex dial is made from 18kt white gold.<br />
The stainless steel case is made from a solid piece of 904L grade steel that is hand formed, polished and assembled. </p>
<p>However,IWC has the upper hand when it comes to the movement.<br />
This is a watch company that is ranked No.2 just behind Patek Philippe.<br />
IWC Caliber 5000 and IWC Caliber 89 are by far extremely beautiful movements to look at and to admire.</p>
<p>Rolex spend huge sums of money on marketing, where as IWC spends their money on Research and Development. Therefore,IWC is at the forefront of making great watch movements.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bulova Accutron Forum by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/06/25/bulova-accutron-forum/#comment-117648</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn't look like a real Spaceview because it doesn't have the chapter ring on the inside.  Unfortunately, there are many many unscrupulous sellers who simply remove the dial from an Accutron 214 and call it a "spaceview."  It is very difficult to find an original--as issued from Bulova--spaceview.  Most spaceviews are just pretenders.  Don't be fooled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like a real Spaceview because it doesn&#8217;t have the chapter ring on the inside.  Unfortunately, there are many many unscrupulous sellers who simply remove the dial from an Accutron 214 and call it a &#8220;spaceview.&#8221;  It is very difficult to find an original&#8211;as issued from Bulova&#8211;spaceview.  Most spaceviews are just pretenders.  Don&#8217;t be fooled.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Event: Watch 2008 by Alon</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2008/09/05/event-watch-2008/#comment-117376</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to be a great event! Really looking forward to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to be a great event! Really looking forward to it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caliber 3135 by Owner of Rolexes</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2005/06/14/caliber-3135/#comment-115797</link>
		<dc:creator>Owner of Rolexes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love "Ivan Says"  now may I add... Hilarious!  Hilarious, because he probably never owned a Rolex, and if he did he obviously was lolo enough to buy a fake in his quest for status!  Bra HAHA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love &#8220;Ivan Says&#8221;  now may I add&#8230; Hilarious!  Hilarious, because he probably never owned a Rolex, and if he did he obviously was lolo enough to buy a fake in his quest for status!  Bra HAHA!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another scam by Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2004/11/16/another-scam/#comment-115077</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why pay a couple or even a hundred for these dubious brands when you can find a very good used condition Tag, Omega or Movado for about $200. These fine watches are of established quality and reputation, respected for their inner workings rather than their fancy looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why pay a couple or even a hundred for these dubious brands when you can find a very good used condition Tag, Omega or Movado for about $200. These fine watches are of established quality and reputation, respected for their inner workings rather than their fancy looks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another scam by bobbie</title>
		<link>http://www.fratellowatches.com/archives/2004/11/16/another-scam/#comment-114961</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently bought a tavan watch from ubid- after seeing a couple of my co-workers with them- they absolutely rave about the tavan watches- of course the MSRP is way too high but  I love this watch and comparing to jewelers - this same watch that I paid 26.00 for would have cost close to 425 with them for comparable looks - it keeps great time looks good- what more does one want with a watch- if it works you've made it- in comparison i own a citizen eco- 500 for a watch that was constantly breaking that you had to ship back to them - and pay the shipping plus the cost of repair(always around 75-125) as far as i'm concerned- i made out a lot better than going to a jeweler with so called warranties- most warranties from the name companies aren't worth the paper they are written on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently bought a tavan watch from ubid- after seeing a couple of my co-workers with them- they absolutely rave about the tavan watches- of course the MSRP is way too high but  I love this watch and comparing to jewelers - this same watch that I paid 26.00 for would have cost close to 425 with them for comparable looks - it keeps great time looks good- what more does one want with a watch- if it works you&#8217;ve made it- in comparison i own a citizen eco- 500 for a watch that was constantly breaking that you had to ship back to them - and pay the shipping plus the cost of repair(always around 75-125) as far as i&#8217;m concerned- i made out a lot better than going to a jeweler with so called warranties- most warranties from the name companies aren&#8217;t worth the paper they are written on!</p>
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